DEA/HI Accreditation numbers update (7,930 accredited)
And finally, a mere 5 and half months after CLG were kind enough to give us the last update as to how many more DEA/HIs have been conned to train we have an update!
Conned to join the legions of DEA/HI cannon fodder sat every morning, feet up watching Jeremy Kyle, waiting for the phone to ring with an EPC at 20 quid or to play fastest finger first with panel text messages.
Promised a new career, new opportunities, a fresh start, the mandatory EPC, a money-spinner and guaranteed income some rogue training providers would have you believe. The reality as we know is very much another story and the numbers that follow spell this out in harsh terms.
Assessor Numbers as of 23 May 08
Accredited = 7,930 (+829 from 7,101 on 6 Mar)
Qualified = 1,464 (passed exams and qualified, but not yet become accredited)
Passed exams = 4,816
Total in system who have passed exams or progressed further = 14,210 (+2,784 from 11,426)
Lets just pause there a minute shall we cos I smell a rat. So what CLG said is that on 6 March we had 11,426 DEA/HIs in the system and a mere 10 weeks later we have magically gained another 2,784 DEA/HIs in the system. Sorry but something whiffs a bit, either CLG were not gathering data from all the training providers, and lets face it there are so many now, breeding like hamsters they are, and all being unregulated of course so its hard to keep up, or, CLG have not given us an update for 5 and half months because they were afraid of the impact of having ANOTHER 2,784 DEA/HIs joining the industry. Wouldn't look good in the press now would it?
I don't even need to do the maths here to tell anyone that 2,784 is more than enough DEA/HIs to service the WHOLE COUNTRY in 2008. Not sure I was saying any different earlier in the year actually when CLG and others were suggesting 3,000-3,500 but since we knew employed panels were on the rise, it was obvious that a lot less self-employed DEA/HIs were going to be needed. See my calculations later in this post that prove my point.
Back to DEA/HIs then, remember them, hard to avoid bumping into one nowadays I suppose. So for those DEA/HIs who need to know how many 'contracts' they you need to take out to thin the local competition, take a look here. Maybe try and negotiate a bulk rate per 100 kills?
North East 368 + 22 was 346
North West 947 + 102 was 845
Yorkshire & The Humber 582 + 45 was 537
East Midlands 618 + 83 was 535
West Midlands 743 + 73 was 670
East of England 789 + 61 was 728
London 644 + 61 was 583
South East 1289 + 124 was 1165
South West 1021 + 111 was 910
Wales 426 + 50 was 376
Unknown 503 + 97 was 406
Total 7930 + 829 was 7,101
Coming onto just how busy everyone is then. Rightmove took on 120,436 new instructions in July and cover 90% of the market so we have to factor that up to 133,818 to give an estimated total number of new instructions in July 08. (This may actually be an over-estimate since some 'new' properties have actually gone 'multi-agency' and are therefore not requiring an EPC as they already have a HIP)
Then take our fresh and crispy selection of 7,930 burned DEAs and lets 'do the math' as our relay baton-dropping cousins would say.
133,818 divided by 7,930 gives 16.87 EPCs per DEA in July 08, less than one day even based on 20 working days per month assuming you aren't kind enough to work at weekends or any unsociable hours.
Guess you can see where the problem is? We have 14,210 - 7,930 = 6,280 more DEA/HIs queuing up to join the legions of existing under-utilised DEA/HIs.
Impact of this, sorry to say this, cos I've been in from the start and been a strong advocate of doing a good job, reasonable fees etc. but the outcome is the continuation of the fee crashing we have seen. I don't know how much lower it will go, with ever-cheaper accreditation available, thats another 2-5 that will come off the headline panel EPC prices I would wager.
Lots of people and companies in this industry are in dire financial straits, I heard today of one personal search company in Yorkshire that has folded, we have lost Hipstar today of course and the property sector is in freefall and confidence is at rock-bottom.
Another scary point of course is that is pretty much a year to the day since CLG first published any figures at all when we were first informed by CLG that we had 525 accredited DEA/HIs (and that was a reason to delay the rollout of HIPs from 1 June for another few months).
Worrying CLG is still populated by civil servants who are happy to see Data Collectors for EPCs, they want pain-free implementation. I have met them, held meeting with them and their approach worries me a great deal. So how can so many people conspire to keep cocking it up?
DEC rollout- a failure already with watered down implementation guidelines already in place
Commercial EPC rollout - failure, not enough accredited commercial energy assessors and no straight answers given.
Shoddy project management, thats what.
Conned to join the legions of DEA/HI cannon fodder sat every morning, feet up watching Jeremy Kyle, waiting for the phone to ring with an EPC at 20 quid or to play fastest finger first with panel text messages.
Promised a new career, new opportunities, a fresh start, the mandatory EPC, a money-spinner and guaranteed income some rogue training providers would have you believe. The reality as we know is very much another story and the numbers that follow spell this out in harsh terms.
Assessor Numbers as of 23 May 08
Accredited = 7,930 (+829 from 7,101 on 6 Mar)
Qualified = 1,464 (passed exams and qualified, but not yet become accredited)
Passed exams = 4,816
Total in system who have passed exams or progressed further = 14,210 (+2,784 from 11,426)
Lets just pause there a minute shall we cos I smell a rat. So what CLG said is that on 6 March we had 11,426 DEA/HIs in the system and a mere 10 weeks later we have magically gained another 2,784 DEA/HIs in the system. Sorry but something whiffs a bit, either CLG were not gathering data from all the training providers, and lets face it there are so many now, breeding like hamsters they are, and all being unregulated of course so its hard to keep up, or, CLG have not given us an update for 5 and half months because they were afraid of the impact of having ANOTHER 2,784 DEA/HIs joining the industry. Wouldn't look good in the press now would it?
I don't even need to do the maths here to tell anyone that 2,784 is more than enough DEA/HIs to service the WHOLE COUNTRY in 2008. Not sure I was saying any different earlier in the year actually when CLG and others were suggesting 3,000-3,500 but since we knew employed panels were on the rise, it was obvious that a lot less self-employed DEA/HIs were going to be needed. See my calculations later in this post that prove my point.
Back to DEA/HIs then, remember them, hard to avoid bumping into one nowadays I suppose. So for those DEA/HIs who need to know how many 'contracts' they you need to take out to thin the local competition, take a look here. Maybe try and negotiate a bulk rate per 100 kills?
North East 368 + 22 was 346
North West 947 + 102 was 845
Yorkshire & The Humber 582 + 45 was 537
East Midlands 618 + 83 was 535
West Midlands 743 + 73 was 670
East of England 789 + 61 was 728
London 644 + 61 was 583
South East 1289 + 124 was 1165
South West 1021 + 111 was 910
Wales 426 + 50 was 376
Unknown 503 + 97 was 406
Total 7930 + 829 was 7,101
Coming onto just how busy everyone is then. Rightmove took on 120,436 new instructions in July and cover 90% of the market so we have to factor that up to 133,818 to give an estimated total number of new instructions in July 08. (This may actually be an over-estimate since some 'new' properties have actually gone 'multi-agency' and are therefore not requiring an EPC as they already have a HIP)
Then take our fresh and crispy selection of 7,930 burned DEAs and lets 'do the math' as our relay baton-dropping cousins would say.
133,818 divided by 7,930 gives 16.87 EPCs per DEA in July 08, less than one day even based on 20 working days per month assuming you aren't kind enough to work at weekends or any unsociable hours.
Guess you can see where the problem is? We have 14,210 - 7,930 = 6,280 more DEA/HIs queuing up to join the legions of existing under-utilised DEA/HIs.
Impact of this, sorry to say this, cos I've been in from the start and been a strong advocate of doing a good job, reasonable fees etc. but the outcome is the continuation of the fee crashing we have seen. I don't know how much lower it will go, with ever-cheaper accreditation available, thats another 2-5 that will come off the headline panel EPC prices I would wager.
Lots of people and companies in this industry are in dire financial straits, I heard today of one personal search company in Yorkshire that has folded, we have lost Hipstar today of course and the property sector is in freefall and confidence is at rock-bottom.
Another scary point of course is that is pretty much a year to the day since CLG first published any figures at all when we were first informed by CLG that we had 525 accredited DEA/HIs (and that was a reason to delay the rollout of HIPs from 1 June for another few months).
Worrying CLG is still populated by civil servants who are happy to see Data Collectors for EPCs, they want pain-free implementation. I have met them, held meeting with them and their approach worries me a great deal. So how can so many people conspire to keep cocking it up?
DEC rollout- a failure already with watered down implementation guidelines already in place
Commercial EPC rollout - failure, not enough accredited commercial energy assessors and no straight answers given.
Shoddy project management, thats what.
Labels: 930-accredited, Domestic-Energy-Assessors-and-Home-Inspectors-DEA-HI-Accreditation-numbers-update-7
posted by Neil Kurz at
22:47
1 Comments:
Neil,
Since having my Non Dom FOI request declined I have put in an appeal and awaiting a respose.
Of the 13 non dom accreditation boards only 7 have lodged them on the Landmark ndepc site. Of those on there on Friday CIBSE & BRE seem to be in the lead STROMA have around 150 on, RICS 16, ECMK 5, NHER 5 and Quidos 2 (both of which are only accredited to do DEC's). Elmhurst tell me they have only just got the technology to upload and apparently they will do this over the Bank Holiday week end.
It seems really strange that CLG will happily broadcast the numbers of DEA's yet the numbers of NDEA's is a closely guarded secret!
What I do not think most commercial agents have realised is that it is not just new instructions on or after October 1st that need an EPC but everything on their registers. I conducted a survey of 7 firms (all either RICS or NAEA/ICBA members) and only one was aware of this! A small sample I know but if scaled up it means 85% of Commercial and Business Transfer Agents could be breaking the law come October.
If it is not sorted by January 4th then UK PLC are liable to fines of £1,000,000 per day to the EU.
John M
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